Sunday, February 15, 2026

The Drunken Fist




 

One of the more unique fist forms I have played with comes from Drunken forms in the Chinese arts. Popularized in the movies as Drunken Fist Systems,
Or in modern WuShu competition.

 

But as I understand it while various systems may have their drunken forms,
There is no Drunken fist system.
 
What I have found is a valuable unique striking tool.
 
The hand position as formed is akin to holding a cup in your between
Your thumb and your forefinger.
 
And I have found out in my own research that visualizing
That cup as being held between your fingers
Helps form a stronger fist formation.

 


Make a fist and hold it up like you were holding a cup with one hand. Extend your index finger into a hook shape, and position your thumb so that your index and thumb make a "C"
 
You NOT striking with those two, thumb and forefinger.
What you are striking with is the last joint of the index finger,
Keeping it aligned with your wrist.
 
What that does is make a very sharp striking position.
 
Capable of delivering a very sharp penetrating strike
To a vital point of your choosing.
 
Making it a most unexpected tool.
 
You do not have to study Drunken Boxing
 To use this, It just takes some first slow
Then more serious faster practice.

 


 


Supple Dragon

 

Another supplemental kata studied at brown belt
is the Pai Lum form Lung Le Kuen
or Supple Dragon.

This form was shared with us by Ernest Rothrock.

 


Again these studies give my students some idea
of what others do.


Nijushiho - Gojushiho

 

In our studies we utilize two supplemental kata in our training,
They come from the Sutrisno family Shotokan.

However these versions from his family sustem 
were in addition to the standard Shotokan versions.
 
At the brown belt the student studies the supplemental kata,
 Nijushiho.
 
 
 

 
 
And for more advanced Dan study the supplemental kata
Gojushiho.
 

 

Supplementary kata gave more knowledge of what others did.
 

The Stack - Naifanchi Kata


 
 
A different way to approach training
Kata Naifanchi
is to perform it in a stack of practitioners.
 
 
This allows the instructor to obtain
a different view of what everyone is doing.
 
 

Baby steps - Where I began my study of Chinese forms



 
When I was in my first year as a Sho Dan in Isshinryu I began my study in Yang Long Fist T’ai Chi Chaun with Ernest Rothrock. I was starting to visit many schools of competitors I met at karate tournaments and training with them too.


But I had been interested in T’ai Chi since an independent study I made in college on Taoism and this was my first chance to learn this.

After 9 months training with Rothrock Laoshi, I had another idea. Often at those tournaments I would be called on to judge Chinese stylists, and I was realing I did not really know what I was being asked to judge. One day before my class I approached Laoshi and asked him if it would be reasonable to learn some Chinese forms so I could become more knowledgeable on how Chinese systems work.

 
He thought about it and then agreed. He then turned to a list behind his desk and asked me what form I wanted to study. As the list had hundreds of forms listed on it, I responded I have no idea. (The list was of the forms he was working on at that time.)


So he asked me again which form did I want to study. Again I responded I had no idea which form would be a good place to start. Then I asked him why not choose a form for me.

 
Then he looked at the list and finally picked one. “I am going to suggest you study Dune De Kuen a Northern Shaoin form. Roughly equivalent to what might be a beginning black belt form in that system.
 

I agreed having no idea what I was getting into. I had not studied the basics of that system. But class after class I worked on getting that form. About a year later I finished.

 
Roll forward another year, and other form studies later, I told him I was going to attempt competing with that form as a tournament in Baltimore that had separate Chinese divisions. When he heard that, then began much more focused work on the small details of that form.

 
Later he and I drove down to Baltimore, Both of us were going to compete in separate divisions. He in a Chinese masters lever division. Me in the Chinese black belt forms division and me in a karate black belt forms division.

 
In my Chinese forms division I successfully completed my form, and my scored were about in the middle of the pack. I did what I wanted to do, deliver a credible performance.
 

Again move forward to the December 1984 when I would be moving to New Hampshire for work, Dave Belsky, who then ran the Wilkes Barre Pa school, volunteered to tape the forms I had learned so I might remember them. For I had studied about 20 Chinese forms. Again not to be an expert but to gain knowledge of Chinese systems. I had studied from Northern Shaolin, Northern Praying Mantis, Northern Eagle Claw, Pai Lum and forms used by the Chin Wu Association. Hardly was I an expert, but I enjoyed the work they represented.


This is my performance of the first of those forms, Northern Shaolin Dune De Kuen

 


 

Subsequently You Tube came around and I have found Chinese performances of the same form, abet with small differences as any system has.

Just a small adjustment to our striking



One day we found ourselves schooled by Sherman Harrill. At an early clinic he took Tom Chan aside to discuss a point about Uechi. When doing so he struck Tom to demonstrate a point. Others of us were also struck that day. The point is not that Sherman had makiwara conditioned hands, which he did, but the manner in which he struck us.

The next day, Sunday, everyone came over to work out in my back yard. When there we compared the marks still present from Sherman’s strikes, for they were still present on our bodies. What we discovered they were made by his first two knuckles, rather the ridge of his first two knuckles, Showing us vividly a slight difference, adjustment, possible with our way of striking.

Since that time we adjusted out strike. Even without makiwara conditioning, not possible where we trained, the altered striking made even more penetrating results.

Harrill Sensei always covered so much, never was that discussed again, But he literally made an impression than changed, ever so slightly, how we punched. And but a fraction of an inch adjustment allowing striking with the ridge of the knuckles.
Sofia R said...

Amazing story! I’m enjoying your blog. Thank you :)

Judo's striking techniques (Atemi Waza) 当身, あてみ

 



This video is about Judo's Atemi-waza


 



If you believe Judo is not  a striking art, you are mistaken.

They just teach atemi/striking in a different order than karate.
 

The following photos are a few of their places to strike.

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

As you see the art of Judo has the potential to use many of the strikes in karate.