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Wednesday, July 31, 2019

Clearing the Air About Choiki Motobu


from my archived records an article Joe Swift made in 2001
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Clearing the Air about Motobu



 1. The Origins of the Motobu Family

The Motobu family beloged to the Udun class, those related to the Royal family, during Okinawa's old Ryukyu Kingdom. They actually trace their lineage back to King Sho Shitsu, who reigned from 1648-1668. Sho Shitsu had six sons, namely Sho Koshin (Prince Osato), Sho Kojin (Prince Nago), Sho Kosai (Prince Hokudai), Sho Kotoku (Prince Tofu), Sho Koshin (Prince Motobu Chohei) and Sho Kozen (Prince Gino). Sho Koshin, aka Motobu Chohei, then, is the first generation of the Motobu clan, a familial line that continues to this day [1].

2. Motobu Udundi

This alleged family art was, according to the oral tradition, formalized by Prince Motobu Chohei, and subsequently taught to the first sons of the Motobu clan, in order to increase their knowledge of the arts of the Pen and the Sword [2]. The technical make up of the Motobu Udundi (note: Goten-te is the standard Japanese pronunciation) system is as follows:

A. Kihon Taijutsu - Basic Empty Hand Techniques Also called Goken (hard fist), this aspect focuses upon punches and kicks. At this level, the kata Mutudi (1&2) and Kasshindi (3-5) are taught as basic conditioning of the body, hand and foot motions necessary for the advanced techniques.

B. Buki-jutsu - Weaponry
Upon mastering the basic hard-fist techniques, the student then moves onto a study of classical weaponry. The major weapons in the system are include a variety of swords, spears, halberds, staves of varying lengths, wooden flails, boat oars, wooden handles, iron truncheons and others. The secrets of Ryukyu Oke Hiden Bujutsu are said to be found in the sword arts, the pinnacle of which is found the Uzumaki no Ken (whirlpool sword) and Tatsumaki no Ken (Tornado Sword).


C. Tuidi - Grasping Hand
Also called juken (soft fist), this is the pinnacle of the art, in which one is able to control an adversary without causing serious injury, by placing him in so much pain that he looses his will to attack. Often used in conjunction with the dance-like movements of Mai no Ti (dance-hand).

Many have noted Udundi's similarities to Aikido. It is a known fact that Uehara Seikichi has a masters licence in Hakkoryu Jujutsu (a Daitoryu derivative) [3] and he is also rumoured to have trained with Ueshiba Morihei during the latter's visit to Okinawa [4]. One can speculate that these had a profound impact on Uehara's interpretaion of the Motobu arts.

3. A Capsule Biography Motobu Choyu

Although perhaps not as well known as his younger half-brother Choki, Motobu Choyu nonetheless played an important role in the development of the Okinawan martial arts in the early days of the 20th century. Just who was this man, and what were his contributions?

Unfortunately, the answers often do not come as easy as the questions, and Motobu Choyu has remained shrouded in mystery.

This section will attempt to create at least a little better understanding of the man and his art by reviewing some historical testimonies, mostly the recollections of his student Uehara Seikichi, among others.

First of all, there are no clear birth and death dates known for Motobu Choyu. Noted martial arts historian Patrick McCarthy gives the dates as 1865-1929 [5], whereas noted karate author Mark Bishop gives the date of death as 1926 with no date of birth offered [6]. Iwai Tsukuo, a noted Japanese Budo historian tells us that Choyu lived from 1857-1927 [7].

The following information on Motobu Choyu was translated and compiled from Uehara Seikichi's 1992 book "Bu no Mai."

Although the Motobu family had lived in a palatial estate, when Uehara Seikichi first met Motobu Choyu, he was living in Shuri's entertainment district of Tsuji-machi. He was only about 5 feet 2 inches in height, but he always had a freindly smile on his face, and stood with his back straight. He always wore traditional Ryukyu clothing and the topknow with a hairpin as fitted his station.

He was well versed in Ryukyuan poetry and music, and was very friendly with Tamaki Jushin, the last of the Ukanshin Udui dancers. When talking of classical dances, Motobu would always play the classical song Ufubushi on the Sanshin (Okinawan shamisen) while Tamaki performed the dance.

Choyu was also very strict about courtesy, and he never receive d a standing bow. Even his younger brother Choki would kneel and bow upon entering the room, and use polite language when speaking to Choyu. Even so, even during the Taisho era (1912-1926), when many were still clinging to  old Ryukyuan status and the like, Choyu was very friendly to anyone he met.

Being a kind and benevolent man, he gave most of his belongings to his close neighbors, and often loaned money to those in need. He never forced people with nothing to pay him back, saying "whenever you have it is fine." He was liked by many, judging by the feasts the people in Yomitan prepared for he and Uehara whenever they went there for horse-riding practice.

The Okinawa Wakasa Club (Okinawa Karate Club) was made up of prominent teachers like Kyan Chotoku, Miyagi Chojun, Mabuni Kenwa, Gusukuma Shinpan, Yabu Kentsu, Teruya Kamesuke and Hanashiro Chomo, but it was Choyu who taught the principles of the martial arts to the members. In this regard, Choyu was highly respected in the Okinawan martial arts circles. In those days, all of the martial arts teachers were from the upper classes, but Choyu was by far the highest. He was never called by his name, but rather by the title "Aji-ganashimei."

Choyu taught rope-tying techniques to law enforcement officer Mabuni Kenwa, as well as a special fist for smaller people to Kyan Chotoku. His kicking techniques were very respected, earning him the nickname "Mutubu nu Hisa (Legs Motobu)" and "Mutubu Umei nu Kirichi (Kicking Motobu)." However, he rarely ever showed the family techniques in front of people, and never taught them when others were around.

He also seemed to know well over 30 karate kata, which he taught to 3 or 4 students at night. He told Uehara to never practice kata, and never said when, where or from whom he learned such kata. Higaonna Morio tells us that Kina Sensei was told by Miyagi Chojun to learn Unshu from Motobu Choyu as well [8].

4. A Capsule Biography of Motobu Choki



When compared to his elder half-brother Choyu, there seems to be no shortage of historical information on Motobu Choki. Let us take a brief look at Choki's life now. The following biography is translated from Iwai Tsukuo's [9] 1992 book "Koden Ryukyu Karatejutsu" suppleemented with pertinent information from alternative sources annoted by footnotes.

Motobu Choki was born on April 5, 1870, the third son of Motobu Choshin of Akahira in Shuri [10].

His father Choshin was known as Motobu Aji, and the home in which they lived was known as Motobu Udun. The Motobu family was descended from the 6th son of King Sho Shitsu, namely Prince Sho Ko, a.k.a. Motobu Chohei. They ranked at the top of the keimochi families (tr. Note: Keimochi were those with blood relations to the King).

Before the Meiji Restoration, the class system in Ryukyu was divided into 4 classes: the Royal Family, the Lords, the Aristocrats, and the "Peasants". The Motobu family ranked in the Lord class, and were next in rank from Princes. Choki, as he 3rd son of the Motobu family, along with his eldest brother Choyu and his second brother Choshin, started punching the makiwara and practicing karate by imitation from the time they were very small children. At first, a Kobujutsu master known as Ufuchiku (old police term), who was also a relative, came by the house. Choki would always greet him by saying "Let's practice Ti."

Upon reaching his teens, Choki began practicing under Itosu along with his brother Choyu, but Choki always lostin Hindi (called Kumite in modern times) to his brother. Always thinking how he could beat his brother, Choki threw himself into his training. Realizing the limitations of self-training, Choki went on to study under Sakuma from Gibo, Matsumura Sokon, and Matsumora Kosaku of Tomari. After his 20th birthday, Choki finally gained the confidence that he could beat his brother, and even Itosu was forced to re-examine Choki's abilities.

Choki, as an outlet for his strong will, and his physical strength heightened by his training, looked for real fights, under the pretence of practice. In those days, Tsuji-machi in Shuri was known as the place to go for a night on the town. There, local tough guys and karate practitioners also gathered.

On a nightly basis, Choki went to Tsuji and challenged strong-looking men or those who appeared to have martial arts training.

This kind of challenge match was called Kake-dameshi, and was practiced when students grew tired of kata training and wanted to test out their skills in a real fight. Choki, with his natural strength coupled with his training, was undefeated in these matches. However, as there is always someone out there stronger, Choki was soundly trounced one night.

His opponent was a man named Itarashiki Choyu, a well-known karate expert. That night Choki could not sleep. He kept replaying the match over and over in his mind, and again threw himself into his training.

Choki, who practiced karate centered around Kake-dameshi, was known for his martial expertise and his naturally strong legs and hips as well as his lightness of body. He often jumped over the fences between Shuri and Naha, like a monkey swinging tree to tree. His ability in fighting coupled with his research and study into kata made him known as the fighter "Mutubu nu Saru Umei" (Motobu the Monkey). His name was known throughout Okinawa. Even 3-year old children knew of his exploits.

His karate became known as "kenka karate" (karate for brawling) and earned him the disdain of the karateka of his time, but it is said that no one of his generation While they disdained his methods, many karateka of that time were also respectful of his actual technique.  It is often said that while it is true that Choki was strong and a brilliant fighter, his karate was his own made-up style, and he only knew the Naifuanchi kata. However, this is because Choki was trying to keep people from stealing his "Ti" and thus did not take on many students, and of those, he only taught kata to the most trusted. Even when he did take on a student, he would keep them on makiwara training, Naifuanchi no Kata, and Yakusoku Kumite for several years. It is not that he did not know kata.

Choki himself had said that kata are the kihon of karate, had studied under several of the karate masters of his time, in an age when karate practice was centered upon kata. In fact, reading his two books that he published shows his deep knowledge of the kata of Shurite, Tomarite, and Nahate.

In 1923, Choki moved to Osaka on the mainland. In November 1924, Choki worked as a security guard at a factory. One day, on his day off, he went into Kyoto with the landlord of his apartment. There they say a sign announcing challenge matches with boxers, so they went in to watch.After several matches, the announcer said that they would welcome all comers. Choki entered into a match with a Russian boxer, in an event that would go down in history.

In the second round, Choki felled the giant Russian with his one-knuckle fist, thus showing the world the power of Okinawan karate. His story was told by the newspapers and magazines of the time. He had many come to his apartment seeking instruction, and as a result of his victory over the boxer, established a Karate Promotion Society in Osaka.

Choki was 52 at the time of the bout.

Choki formulated the Karatejutsu Fukyukai or the Society for the Promotion of Karatejutsu in Osaka. In the spring of 1924, was requested to teach karate at the Mikage Teacher's College and Mikage Police Force in Hyogo Prefecture, where he demonstrated the practical applications of karate and taught the basic principles of the art. In 1926, he published "Okinawa Kenpo Karatejutsu:  Kumite-hen," a small book that shines brightly in the history of karate. He was very successful in developing the art of karate in the Osaka and Kyoto area.

In 1922, Funakoshi Gichin introduced karate as a Budo for physical education in Tokyo, and clamored for the support of university students. At the same time, Motobu was demonstrating the effectiveness of the art in Osaka. The fact that both of these great masters were so active shows the fortune of karate.

In 1927, Choki left his wife and children in Osaka, and moved to Tokyo, where he opened the Daidokan Dojo in Koishikawahara-machi. The name he had used for his "style" since his Osaka days was Nihon Denryu Hyoho Motobu Kenpo, but his students and outsiders called it simply Motoburyu  Karatejutsu.

Choki, who had opened his dojo in Tokyo, was invited to teach at the Ministry of Railways and Toyo University, but due to his strong Okinawan dialect and his brutal training methods, these positions did not last long. However, Toyo University Karate Club members Takano Genjuro and Higaonna Hiroshi, as well as Waseda University Karate Research Society member Marukawa Kenji understood Motobu's karate and stayed on at his dojo as students until he returned to Okinawa.

Motobu enjoyed contact with many karate exponents in Tokyo who were sympathetic to his methods, including Otsuka Hironori of Wadoryu, Konishi Yasuhiro of Shindo Jinenryu and Ueshima Sannosuke of Kushinryu.

There are many tales of Choki's exploits in Tokyo, one of the most famous being when he sparred with the Oriental Boxing Champion "Piston" Horiguchi, who was unable to land a single punch on Motobu. Motobu's karate provided a great stimulus to the Tokyo karate world. In 1932, he published another book, entitled "Watashi no Karatejutsu." Unfortunately, most copies were destroyed during WWII, and only a handful of former students of Choki retain copies. If modern karate researchers could see the contents of this book, they would be watering at the mouth [11].

In the fall of 1936, he returned to Okinawa and reported to his seniors on the present situation of karate in Tokyo. He also made a study of the classical kata and kobudo before returning to Tokyo.

When he visited Okinawa, many martial artists visited him, because they knew his reputation. The fact that Sodeyama Hosaku came all the way from Japan to study under Motobu in Okinawa shows how widespread his fame was.

Although Motobu's karate earned a bad reputation in hisday, he was actually very strict about courtesy. He was always deadly serious about karate, and demanded perfect manners in his students. Because he did not teach for money, he only took on people who he liked as students.

Even Motobu's supporter Konishi Yasuhiro tells us that although Choki's karate was rough, he was very polite and quiet.

In any reason, those who pull ahead of the pack are bound to be criticized to either extreme. Choki, however, paid such matters no mind.

Upon returning to Okinawa, Choki had contact with many other karate experts. He passed away on 15 April 1944, at the age of 74. Choki's karate (kumite) had influenced many modern styles, and his son Motobu Chosei along with other students carried on his work, forming the Nihon Karatedo Motobukai.

Motobu Choki (1870-1944), earned a reputation as a fighter, but his serious attitude, influence on many modern karate styles and efforts at spreading the art of karate remain as his legacy.

5. Motobu Choki's Karate



If there ever was an Okinawan martial artist who knew how to "use his stuff" in a real confrontation, it must have been Motobu Choki. Although often decried as an uncouth brawler by those who do not know the details of his life, by looking at his writings, we can see that he had a deep appreciation for kata and their defensive applications.

Motobu Choki is often decried as having only known the Naifuanchi Shodan kata. However, this seems not to be true. Nagamine Shoshin, in his publications, notes that Motobu had learned Passai, in addition to Naifuanchi, from Matsumora Kosaku. Motobu fs books also give us a hint that he may have known a lot more about kata than most give him credit for.

In his books, Motobu refers to kata as "types" or "kinds" of karate, and lists several of the kata passed down in old Okinawa. These were: Sanchin, Gojushiho, Seisan, Seiyunchin, Suparinpei, Naihanchi (3), Passai (Dai/Sho), Chinto, Chinte, Wanshu, Rohai and Kushanku. Now, the question begs to be asked, would he have put these kata down into writing unless he had at least a passing familiarity with them? That, I shall leave up to the reader to decide.

Iwai Tsukuo, in a personal communication to this author, also stated that the kata used in the Motoburyu Karatejutsu are Naifuanchi, Shiraguma (Channan or Pinan), Seishan, Passai, Chinto, Chinti, Wankan, Kushanku etc. He further stated that it is believed that Kushanku was taught to Motobu by Yabu Kentsu, as they both used closed fists for the entire kata (no open hand blocks, etc.) [12]

Motobu himself tells us that he learned the Channan, the early version of the Pinan, from Itosu himself [13].

Although it has been said that Motobu had a "special" version of Naifuanchi, replete with "ti-like grappling techniques," [14] from the photographic records, one can immediately see that other than personal quirks (higher chamber, etc.), Motobu fs kata varies very little from the mainstream varieties.

Finally, Motobu's karate can said to be exemplified by his mastery of the Meotodi or "husband and wife hands," a classical kamae of old-style karate. Those who would understand Motobu, would do well to study Naifuanchi, his 12 kumite sets and strive to master the Meotodi.


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Footnotes:

[1] See, for example, Matsuo K. (1990) "Ryukyu Oke Hiden Bujutsu" (Secret Royal Martial Arts of Ryukyu) Tokyo, Baseball Magazine; also Uehara S. (1994) "Bu no Mai" (Martial Dance). Tokyo, BAB Japan Co.

[2] Matsuo, 1990; Uehara, 1994.

[3] Kinjo A. (1999) "Karate Den Shinroku" (True Record of Karat's Transmission). Naha: Okinawa Tosho Center.

[4] McCarthy, P. (1998) Personal Communication.

[5] McCarthy, P. (1999) "Ancient Okinawan Martial Arts, Vol. 2" Boston: Tuttle.

[6] Bishop, M. (1999) "Okinawan Karate, 2nd Ed." Boston: Tuttle.

[7] Iwai T. (2000) "Motobu Choki to Ryukyu Karate (Motobu Choki and Ryukyu Karate)" Tokyo: Airyudo.

[8] Higaonna M. (1993) "History of Karate, Okinawa Gojuryu" California: Dragon Associates.

[9] Iwai Tsukuo is one of Japan's most noted Budo historians and a teacher of Motobu's karatejutsu under the
auspices of Motobu Chosei, Choki's son.

[10] It should be noted that Nagamine Shoshin gives the  date February 1871 in his 1975 book "Okinawa no Karatedo" and his 1986 book "Okinawa no Karate Sumo Meijin Den," both published by Shin Jinbutsu Oraisha in Tokyo.

[11] This book has since been re-published in Japanese, and Patrick McCarthy will be releasing his English translation soon.

[12] Iwai T. (1997) Personal communication: Motobu Ryu Kata.

[13] For a translation of this account, see "Channan: The Lost Kata of Itosu?" by J. Swift.

[14] Bishop, 1999, ibid.

Wednesday, July 17, 2024

Motobu Naifanchi and the Japanese Video June 2006



The karate of Choki Motobu


I recently gave in and purchased the DVD done by Motobu's grandson on the karate of Choki Motobu. I had been curious for a long time and I finally went for it.


The first part of the DVD is Motobu "revisionist" history, including commentary, accounting of events and discussions about the feud between Funakoshi and Motobu. When I say "revisionist" I don't mean its a bad thing at all necessarily. I found it an interesting history lesson as the DVD was clearly working to reverse the commonly held belief that Motobu Choki Sensei was a roughneck and a brawler. However, I thought it also started to border in the opposite direction of pro-Motobu propaganda, but hey its their video they can say what they want.


The video also contains naihanchi shodan and nidan with application (slow and regular motion speed) and the 13 (I think) self defenses of the ryu (also with slow and regular motion, with commentary). There is some interesting stuff in the kata part and I thought that Motobu Sensei moved incredibly well for a man of his age.


Not everything made sense to me from my perspective but it was an interesting video and I learned a lot about Motobu's (the grandson's) karate. The video is high quality in my opinion, production wise. It is definitely different than most karate that you will see on the net or otherwise and worth a look in my opinion.


I just thought I would post some impressions and ask if anyone else has seen the video and has other comments?


Best,
Tim
__________________
Tim Black


That reminds me I need to return it. Thanks


Thanks for the reminder. I have it at my house. I need to return it. A student of mine loaned it to me. Because I teach a version of Naihanchin I received from another Goju Teacher. He thought I would find it interesting. A couple of things did interest me.


1) I wanted to see if there were any parallels in Naihanchi and how Naihanchi is done within Motobu-Ha Shito Ryu. There is. Naihanchi as I learned it begins with a elbow down palm angled up position. Motobu does it arm extended straight out to the side. Motobu Ha Shito Ryu does this also. They are the only two groups I have seen do this. There may be others though.


2) The way he does Buddha hands parallels the way we do JoGe Uke. Most Goju guys bring the lower hands past the hips in form as if it was a brushing /receiving technique. We bring it straight in front of the belt knot. We use it to strike incoming attacks. The Motobu tape showed this also.
__________________
Ed Boyd


I've seen the original Japanese version of this material.


It is interesting somebody edited the video for American audiences.


Did they show Naifanchin being done both ways as the Japanese video did?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR5RStGWKDQ



One time Naifanchi began starting to the right, and the group version was done starting to the left (as does Isshinryu's).


The Japanese tape also showed the opening of their Seisan kata too, very different.

At the very end of this chain is the original Japanese version.

__________________
Victor Smith


Hi Victor:


No the naihanchi only went to the right (his right) but he looked left. Also, no opening to Seisan kata in this version nor was there a group version of naihanchi.


Best,
Tim
 

 

Thanks Tim,


That makes the Japanese version interesting doesn't it?


When I saw Naifanchi being done in the two different directions, the version to the right following Motobu Senseis book and the group of seniors doing it starting to the left (similar to the Isshinryu version), it made me take notice what was happening. I might speculate as a training exercise, it may make no difference.


Unfortunately my knowledge of Japanese (Hi, Ohio, yame and being able to count to 10, with a hand full of other useful words) isn't sufficient to understand what was being described, so I could just look.


Sadly, the short opening of Seisan wasn't shown to completion, leaving one wanting more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWK97DwWJ3Q



__________________
Victor Smith


We train Naihanchi going both directions first as training tools, as speculated. Motobu Sensei changes the first direction periodically.


As a tidbit, one many people over-look, watch the open hand in the beginning... when going to the right, it is right open over left which is the opposite of every version I have seen which contains the classic left over right...this concept is unique to Motobu Kempo.


As a Motobu ha Shito Ryu stylist (Shibucho for Virginia), I have noticed some similarities but there are far more differences. We had the opportunity to demonstrate Motobu Naihanchi for new Seishinkai (Motobu ha Shito Ryu) Soke Sadatomo Harada...without telling him (it was during testing). He remarked "Motobu no Naihanchi, ne"... pretty cool.


If you have any questions, you all can ask him yourself. He is returning to Fredericksburg, Virginia (shameless plug) in July. Info at: www.kenkyukai.org  


Motobu Kempo is quite deep, there are many philosophies that do not show up on video. You need to see him in person to appreciate it. On top of all of this, he is also the 14th Soke of Motobu Udonde, and gives an opportunity for everyone to see and practice this rarely seen art.



As far as the opening to Seisan...its not Seisan...that is the beginning to one of the Motode kata from Udonde. Motobu Kempo only has three kata and the 12 one steps... Udonde (which his students study concurrently) contains more kata as well as kobudo.


Best
Rob Rivers




Motobu Choisi  Naifanchi applications
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csPRyBtlORQ



The original Japanese video on Motobu
MOTOBU RYU NAIHANCHI KARATEJUTSU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61Ev2Crjygg


 




Wednesday, February 8, 2023

Motobu Naifanchi and the Japanese Video ebudo june 2006

 

 The karate of Choki Motobu

 





I recently gave in and purchased the DVD done by Motobu's grandson on the karate of Choki Motobu. I had been curious for a long time and I finally went for it.

The first part of the DVD is Motobu "revisionist" history, including commentary, accounting of events and discussions about the feud between Funakoshi and Motobu. When I say "revisionist" I don't mean its a bad thing at all necessarily. I found it an interesting history lesson as the DVD was clearly working to reverse the commonly held belief that Motobu Choki Sensei was a roughneck and a brawler. However, I thought it also started to border in the opposite direction of pro-Motobu propaganda, but hey its their video they can say what they want.

The video also contains naihanchi shodan and nidan with application (slow and regular motion speed) and the 13 (I think) self defenses of the ryu (also with slow and regular motion, with commentary). There is some interesting stuff in the kata part and I thought that Motobu Sensei moved incredibly well for a man of his age.

Not everything made sense to me from my perspective but it was an interesting video and I learned a lot about Motobu's (the grandson's) karate. The video is high quality in my opinion, production wise. It is definitely different than most karate that you will see on the net or otherwise and worth a look in my opinion.

I just thought I would post some impressions and ask if anyone else has seen the video and has other comments?

Best,
Tim Black

 

 


That reminds me I need to return it. Thanks


Thanks for the reminder. I have it at my house. I need to return it. A student of mine loaned it to me. Because I teach a version of Naihanchin I received from another Goju Teacher. He thought I would find it interesting. A couple of things did interest me.

1) I wanted to see if there were any parallels in Naihanchi and how Naihanchi is done within Motobu-Ha Shito Ryu. There is. Naihanchi as I learned it begins with a elbow down palm angled up position. Motobu does it arm extended straight out to the side. Motobu Ha Shito Ryu does this also. They are the only two groups I have seen do this. There may be others though.

2) The way he does Buddha hands parallels the way we do JoGe Uke. Most Goju guys bring the lower hands past the hips in form as if it was a brushing /receiving technique. We bring it straight in front of the belt knot. We use it to strike incoming attacks. The Motobu tape showed this also.

 

Ed Boyd



 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWK97DwWJ3Q

 



I've seen the original Japanese version of this material.


Did they show Naifanchin being done both ways as the Japanese video did?

One time Naifanchi began starting to the right, and the group version was done starting to the left (as does Isshinryu's).

The Japanese tape also showed the opening of their Seisan kata too, very different.

 

Victor Smith


Hi Victor:

No the naihanchi only went to the right (his right) but he looked left. Also, no opening to Seisan kata in this version nor was there a group version of naihanchi.

Best,  Tim

 

 



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR5RStGWKDQ

 

 

Thanks Tim,


That makes the Japanese version interesting doesn't it?

When I saw Naifanchi being done in the two different directions, the version to the right following Motobu Senseis book and the group of seniors doing it starting to the left (similar to the Isshinryu version), it made me take notice what was happening. I might speculate as a training exercise, it may make no difference.

Unfortunately my knowledge of Japanese (Hi, Ohio, yame and being able to count to 10, with a handfull of other useful words) isn't sufficient to understand what was being described, so I could just look.

Sadly, the short opening of Seisan wasn't shown to completion, leaving one wanting more.

 

 Victor Smith

 

 

We train Naihanchi going both directions first as training tools, as speculated. Motobu Sensei changes the first direction periodically.

As a tidbit, one many people over-look, watch the open hand in the beginning... when going to the right, it is right open over left which is the opposite of every version I have seen which contains the classic left over right...this concept is unique to Motobu Kempo.

As a Motobu ha Shito Ryu stylist (Shibucho for Virginia), I have noticed some similarities but there are far more differences. We had the opportunity to demonstrate Motobu Naihanchi for new Seishinkai (Motobu ha Shito RYu) Soke Sadatomo Harada...without telling him (it was during testing). He remarked "Motobu no Naihanchi, ne"... pretty cool.

If you have any questions, you all can ask him yourself. He is returning to Fredericksburg, Virginia (shameless plug) in July. Info at:

www.kenkyukai.org

Motobu Kempo is quite deep, there are many philosophies that do not show up on video. You need to see him in person to appreciate it. On top of all of this, he is also the 14th Soke of Motobu Udonde, and gives an opportunity for everyone to see and practice this rarely seen art.

Best

Rob Rivers

 

As far as the opening to Seisan...its not Seisan...that is the beginning to one of the Motode kata from Udonde. Motobu Kempo only has three kata and the 12 one steps... Udonde (which his students study concurrently) contains more kata as well as kobudo.

Rob Rivers

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csPRyBtlORQ

 


 


Tuesday, April 11, 2023

Motobu Choki and Stopping Attacks with “Blocks”

 

This entry was posted in blocking bunkai concepts evasion fighting history kobo ittai kote kitae misconceptions motobu tai sabaki te ti trapping uke-waza and tagged blocking motobu uke-waza on February 5, 2016 by Noah

Motobu Choki, posing in meotode-gamae

“One cannot use continuous attacks against true karate. That is because the blocks of true karate make it impossible for the opponent to launch a second attack”

The above quote comes from Motobu Choki, as translated by Joe Swift, and is one of many somewhat enigmatic statements from the famed Okinawan fighter about the nature of karate. Some of his quotes, such as “when punching to the face, one must thrust as if punching through to the back of the head,” are quite straight-forward. Others, however, can be interpreted a number of ways. Since Motobu Choki is no longer alive for us to ask him for clarification, the best we can do is look at the written and photographic material that he produced, the work of his contemporaries, and the work of his students. With that in mind, we may never know for certain what he meant in this quote about blocks, but we can piece together some reasonable assumptions.


Jodan-uke vs. jodan-tsuki

The most popular interpretation of this quote that I have seen is that Motobu is suggesting that you block so hard that you hurt the attacker’s limb, and the pain stops their attack. Personally, I don’t believe this was Motobu’s intent. Certainly, it is possible to apply traditional blocks so hard that it causes a great deal of pain, particularly to those who are not conditioned to receive them. Those who have practiced kote-kitae (forearm forging) with partners tougher or weaker than themselves will have experience with this. That said, Motobu was known to be a fighter, who tested himself and his karate by getting into real fights, and he would be well acquainted with the physiological effects of fighting. Among these is the adrenal response, which dulls pain. Additionally, Motobu tended to find fights in Tsuji, which was a red-light district of bars and brothels, so he likely fought opponents who were drunk on awamori or high on opium, from time to time. Such people would also be numbed to the pain of a hard block. As a highly practical person with a lot of fighting experience, I doubt he would have relied on pain, alone, to stop an opponent.

Motobu Choki demonstrating chibudi/kyusho-waza

That said, Motobu Choki does teach some techniques, such as the one pictured, above, that attack the limbs, but they are meant to physically disable the limb, rather than simply hurt it. In this case, he is applying chibudi/kyusho-waza (vulnerable point techniques) by striking to the nerve running along the inside of the bicep, which is painful, of course, but can also temporarily deaden the arm, making it difficult to use. This is a much more reliable method of attacking the limb, but it still doesn’t fit Motobu’s quote about blocks, because it only deals with one attack, and not any further attacks. So what, exactly, was he talking about? Well, before going further, it should be noted that the “blocks” mentioned in the English quote were probably called “uke-waza” by Motobu, which, as I’ve discussed previously, doesn’t actually mean “block.” With that in mind, we can explore Motobu’s statement as being about receiving methods, rather than “blocks.” This is a much larger category, so it gives us more material to consider.

I believe that the first sentence in the quote is the key to understanding the second, although it is often left out of people’s considerations. Motobu isn’t talking about someone throwing boxing-style combinations of punches–he is talking about a “continuous attack.” A continuous attack is one that doesn’t stop until the attacker is satisfied, and that means that it is fully committed. This could be punching with the same hand over and over, or it could be alternating hands, or kicking, or any number of other methods. The key is that the attacker does not have an intended stopping point, unlike a trained striking combination, which has an intended pattern. You can see an example of this type of fighting in the video, above, where both people are continuously trying to beat the other down. This is something that must be dealt with differently than fighting someone who is using controlled combinations, and Motobu addressed this, saying;When fighting a boxer, it is better to go with his flow, and take up a rhythm with both of your hands.”


Motobu Choki demonstrating simultaneous blocking and countering

From my perspective, there are two primary methods of stopping a continuous attack–breaking rhythm, and evasion. What you do with those methods can vary greatly, depending on your training. In looking at breaking rhythm, it is fairly clear that Motobu favored strikes. He said that “real bujutsu presses forward and blocks and counters in the same motion,” which coincides with the old Ti concept of kobo ittai (simultaneous attack and defense). In other words, uke-waza (receiving techniques) are not solely defensive–they are both defensive and offensive at the same time, as can be seen in the images of Motobu, above. If you block your attacker’s initial attack and simultaneously land a significant strike of your own (particularly to the head, as Motobu often suggested), you stand a very good chance of stopping the attacker. The reason for this is two-fold. First of all, you are interrupting a committed attack, which the attacker expects to be overwhelming, so you have a psychological effect. Second, your attacker will likely be moving forward, meaning that they will be moving into your strike. As combat sports pundit, Jack Slack, often says, “creating collisions” like this is the best way to knock someone out. By interrupting your opponent’s attack, and creating a powerful collision, you can end the fight entirely by knocking them out, or daze them enough to cause them to stop their continuous attack and have to reset.

Motobu Choki demonstrating tuidi-waza from Naihanchi Shodan

Tai sabaki (body evasion) is certainly a component that can be incorporated into breaking your opponent’s rhythm, but it isn’t strictly necessary if your timing is good. There are many techniques where evasion is vital, however, which can be used to deal with a continuous attack. Most of these will result in trapping and tuidi-waza (seizing hand techniques), and will generally have you on the outside of the opponent’s attack. By evading to the outside, you force the attacker to have to turn to follow you, which gives you time to apply a joint lock or throw. In the case of a joint lock, you can simply wrench it and disable the arm, or you can use it to control the attacker, as seen in the image of Motobu, above. You will notice in this image that Motobu is not only applying a lock to his opponent’s right arm, but he is also trapping the left arm so that it cannot be used to attack. This successfully stops his attacker from continuing, at least momentarily. Even if the lock doesn’t succeed, it should place you in a position where you have an angle from which to defend and counter if the attacker resumes their offense. In the case of a throw, of course, the attacker is instantly stopped (if successful), because they will have to get up off the ground and cover the distance between you to resume their attack. Once again, even if it isn’t successful, it should at least partially off-balance the attacker, making their strikes less effective until they recover, giving you time to respond.

Ulf Karlsson demonstrating a Tachimura no Naihanchi 

application on me during his visit in 2014

To me, these are the ideal methods of fulfilling Motobu Choki’s statement about “blocks.” Of course, I truly have no way of knowing if I’m right, so this is just my personal interpretation. Perhaps someone who has trained with one of his students would be able to shed more light on it. Regardless, whether it was his intention or not, I believe that these are concepts that are integral to karate, and should be studied thoroughly. Too often, karateka practice against just single attacks, or attacks that are carefully choreographed. If we want to be effective, we must train for the chaos of reality, and returning to the roots of Ti will help us to do this, if we know where to look.

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About Noah

I began training in karate (Shuri-Ryu) in the Summer of 2006. Subsequently, I started training in judo, kobudo, and iaijutsu within the next 6 months. During my training there, I earned the rank of Sankyu (3rd Degree Brown Belt) in Shuri-Ryu, Gokyu (Green Belt) in judo, a certification in the use of the bo, and passed proficiency tests for the four tachigata of Shinkage-Ryu iaijutsu. I moved to Arizona in the Summer of 2008, and continued training and researching karate at home. I continued regular training in judo at a local club until 2010, when I was able to start training in Shorin-Ryu with Sensei Richard Poage. I have been training with him ever since, and currently hold the rank of Shodan (1st Degree Black Belt) in Shorin-Ryu under him. In addition, I began studying KishimotoDi under Sensei Ulf Karlsson in 2014.

Sunday, January 8, 2017

Motobu Kumite, Reflections On


 

Required Reading : http://ameblo.jp/motoburyu/entry-12235547341.html It will help to better understand what Motobu taught.


Now I am as dense as anyone. I first saw this video 20 or more years ago, as a copy of the Japanese original.

 
Almost since that time I could have broken them down with screen captures. This is something I just realized and doing so made me think more closely about what they show.

 

But having seen many videos of the Motobu Kumite, as well as various books, Japanese reprints as well as several English versions, I ignored there is a real difference between seeing something and knowing something.

 

According to the Motobu people, there are approximately 50 Yaksuoku Kumite taught by Motobu. In the books he published there were a dozen or so. Representative enough to describe his karate, but never close to the whole thing either.

 

At some level the idea is similar to what Shimabuku Tatsuo did developing his own kumite for Isshinryu.

 

Even though a small number they say a lot about what Motobu Choiki felt should be shared with students.

 

Here are some observations I make about what is shown. They are in no particular order. I have included some of the sayings Attributed to Motobu Sensei.

 
1. From the first I felt that the Kumite were much about ending a grappling attack. No doubt influenced that many Okinawans had trained in some local Sumo, and might try to grapple with someone. So one concern was to give students a means to stop a grappler.

 

 
2. The techniques that are employed are simple in the manner in which they are employed.

 
 
3. Observing the attack begins is critical. Almost immediately the counter/attack is entered. Moving into the attacker dynamically.

Motobu explained 13. One cannot use continuous attacks against true karate. That is because the blocks of true karate make it impossible for the opponent to launch a second attack.

 
4. At times you attack  to make them counter your attack, which becomes a way to control them to create an opening to attack.

From the Motobu sayings. 1. Everything is natural, and changing. 6. In a real confrontation, more than anything else one should strike to the face first, as this is the most effective. 17. When fighting a boxer, it is better to go with his flow, and take up a rhythm with both of your hands.

8.”Karate IS Sente” (Here, sente means the initiative, or the first move. c.f. Karate ni Sente Nashi – there is no first move in karate).

19. It is OK to take two steps forward or back in the same kamae, but over three steps, one must change the position (facing) of their guard.

 

 
5. Engaging both arms to kick into the legs, either the forward leg, of the rear leg. Use of a knee kick to set up a stomp kick. However

Motobu also said; 7. Kicks are not all that effective in a real confrontation.

I believe this caution was meant not to overemphasize kicking.

 
6. Use of lead hand backfist strikes.  Concluding the opponent with elbow strikes.

Note Motobu said:16. When punching to the face, one must thrust as if punching through to the back of the head.

7. Even attacks from the rear are openings to attack.

More Motobu - 5. One must develop the ability to deflect an attack even from behind.

 

 
8. Blocking was shown to also be striking

Again Motobu: 12. The blocking hand must be able to become the attacking hand in an instant. Blocking with one hand and then countering with the other is not true bujutsu. Real bujutsu presses forward and blocks and counters in the same motion. 11. One must always try and block the attack at its source (i.e. block not the attacking hand, but deeper on the arm). 9. The position of the legs and hips in Naifuanchin no Kata is the basics of karate.

10. Twisting to the left or right from the Naifuanchin stance will give you the stance used in a real confrontation. Twisting ones way of thinking about Naifuanchin left and right, the various meanings in each movement of the kata will also become clear.


 

9. Knowing is not enough. Practicing with different partners of different sizes and shapes to develop skills at reading different types of attackers.

Motobu adds: 3. One must develop the ability to read how much striking power any person has in one glance.

Other Motobu saying of importance:

4. One does not have to take care to block every single attack by an opponent with weak striking power.

20. When I fought the foreign boxer in Kyoto, he was taller than me so I jumped up and punched him in the face. This is effective against people who are taller than you.


I close with what may be seen as Motobu Choiki’s last wore on all things.

18. It is necessary to drink alcohol and pursue other fun human activities. The art (i.e. karate) of someone who is too serious has no “flavour.”


Further thoughts on the Motobu Karate


Looking at the Motobu contributions about what was karate in the past, the first things that strikes me is how much he did share with us.

 

For one thing, when we look at his Naifanchi Shodan kata, we see something different from what many have seen.

 

The kata was a live tool for the practitioners of the Motobu system.

 

It appears simple, but they study it either beginning to the right, and also beginning to the left. Of course the kata itself changes direction ½ way through the kata. But doing it in differing directions you a help the mind not to assume a fixed attitude toward the kata.

 

Then the section of the kata in application are not fixed either.

 

For one thing stepping in the kata, can be an opening for kicking. Something not seen with the standard kata performance.

 

Then the moves are studied for an entire range of possible application. One movement section may have a half dozen answers, and don’t make assumptions there are not more. What is being shown is more than a fixed number of applications, rather that the movement opens many potentials. Again work to not assume a fixed attitude about what a movement may be used for.

 

While not as many possibilities are shown for subsequent movements of the form, the statement the opening section is used for suggests there are more.

 

Anther thing is that what is being shown are movements to be used on an attack coming straight on towards you. The applications are not bound from attacks from the side. Again this makes sense as most attacks would be coming right at you. Of course that does not preclude using those sections against attacks coming from any direction. Just you would change your orientation to face that attack with your answer.

 

But  the system Motobu does not just consist of kata and its applications. There is also the Motobu Kumite.

 

Where those within that tradition may have 50 or so kumite for training, We are fortunate to have had Mobobu’s own example of 12 or so of them.

 

So apparently there also was a tradition of these Kumite, showing a different tradition from the kata. Involving an entire range of options, and this training was used as the tool to teach them.

 

We have also been blessed that the Motobu Choiki oral tradition has been saved.   Suggesting how what was shown should be used.

 

If anything I see a much richer tradition than I had previously seen.

 

I look forward to learning more.



 
An even more observation comes to me, this juxtaposition of the Motobu Naifanchi (includine the applications shown in this video) and the Motobu Kumite raises some new observations.

 

Namely that the older karate may not have depended on just kata as the source of the art. There seems to be a rational case, that traditions such as the Motobu Kumite are also an important part of the karate transmission.

 

One can assume there was much more to the karate of the past that was shared that was not kata, too.