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I would like to
hear thoughts on something, but before we start, everyone please play nice!I
have seen kata lists from a lot of dojos, the order in which kata are taught.
This is a double sided question, first, in what order of teaching kata do you
teach Sanchin and at what point to you teach weapons and in what order do you
teach the weapons? Everyone's thoughts on this are welcome.
Victor Donald Smith When I was taught and also
how I teach Sanchin was the last empty hand kata taught. For our kobudo kata, I
found it best to make those continuing Dan studies, for I wanted the kyu
students to concentrate on making their karate stronger. What I found over the
decades. kobudo is really not used for self-defense (other studies are for that
with us (bando short stick) but with decades of work the kobudo is a valuable
force enhancer for our karate, especialy as we age.
John Kerker I teach Sanchin 4th right after Naihanchi....
Kobudo depends
on the maturity of the individual....I have 12 year olds training Kobudo
David Rayburn Do you have a specific place where you teach the
kata, like after a certain kata or let it depend on the student?
Andy Sloane I teach Sanchin as the 6th kata and it is a
requirement for 4th kyu. I teach bo basics and a modified version of the
Seidokan bo kata Toma nu Kun at 7th kyu as a requirement for 6th kyu. I require
Tokumine nu Kun for 4th kyu. Chan nu Sai is a requirement for 3rd kyu and then
Kusanku Sai as a requirement for 1st kyu.
Victor Donald Smith Of course after 20 or 30
years does it matter?
David Rayburn
Not really, I was just curios. I have never seen anyone who teaches Sanchin at
the same time and I have never seen anything definite about where the weapons
are taught. I was taught Sanchin between Wansu and Chinto, Tokomine no kun was
after Brown belt and Ku san ku sai before black.
Andy Sloane Shimabuku Sensei taught
Sanchin last up to about 1960. Then it was taught after Chinto until
about 1962 or so. From then on, it was taught between Wansu and Chinto. So,
there's nothing inherently wrong with teaching it in different places. However,
it was the founder's intention that it not be taught first because he felt its
principles were counterproductive to the things a beginning student should
learn.
2 comments:
From a different school perspective, I train Kung Fu and there are a few different tracks a student will learn.
The "curricular" track is the list of progressive "Kati" forms that will teach the student on the style movements and applications.
But Sifu usually will add different "extra" forms or styles, depending on each student needs.
For example, if a skinny student will benefit from more stamina and strength, Sifu may teach a bo (Staff) form and ask student to train with an Iron (heavy) staff. Or if a "bulked" student needs more agility, he learns a short hand form with high kicks, or a kali stick fighting.
This is one of the main reasons why experienced students from the same school will know different forms.
Excellent discussion!
From a different Martial art, I train Kung Fu and in my specific case, there 2 tracks a student will learn.
The "curricular" track is the list of progressive "Kati" forms that will teach the student on the style movements and applications.
But Sifu usually will add different "extra track" forms or styles, depending on each student needs.
For example, if a skinny student will benefit from more stamina and strength, Sifu may teach a bo (Staff) form and ask student to train with an Iron (heavy) staff. Or if a "bulked" student needs more agility, he learns a short hand form with high kicks, or a kali stick fighting.
This is one of the main reasons why experienced students from the same school will know different forms.
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