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Ron Martin I never understood this. I am not saying it is wrong, but as well as what I was doing all over the world (60 countries) was working? I couldn’t see the value of changing to something that had “ mystical” components to it. Always a magic pill that practitioners chase......when they are unable to believe that what they are doing is good enough.

They are looking for the secret style that will 10o% garentee they cannot be defeated. All any of us can hope for is that our proper training will give us a higher % of success!!!!

 

Let the haters fire away at me. Lol.

 

John Stevenson Master Oyata is here with George Dillman. At summer camp back in the ‘80’s Dillman was at the camp. He worked out with me and could not use technology on me but I could put him down. He got upset and would not workout with me. Dillman is a fake and not a martial artist. I have been in RyuKyu Kempo for 45 years and the Matayoshi Kobudo for 33 years.
Train Hard, Train Often

 

Victor Donald SmithThis is what the video record shows George doing in 1985, I had moved to NH but had many friends who were there. This of course does not attest to ability, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VP9bab8zeo

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George Dillman 1985 KO

 

John Stevenson Victor Donald Smith I know but I have dealt with Dillman twice and he is fake. Anyone who thinks they can knock you out without touching you is fake. Dillman says he can knock anyone out without touching them. No way do I believe this.

 

Victor Donald Smith I don't doubt you, and have never sought out what he was doing. I just believe the record should be clear. For myself I have more ways to strike necks with my Isshinyu and other studies and never felt a need for any more.

 

Sarah Phillips Bengel I have participated and observed many seminars taught by Oyata, Dillman, Leon Jay, and Mark Klein over a 20 year period. I have seen knock-outs and I have seen failed knock-outs.

 

The utilization of pressure point striking to achieve a knockout is a finite science. Effectively hitting a point or multiple points in a specific order, that are only the size of a quarter, that requires memorization of specific locations adds to the complexity and lowers the chances of success without lots of specific practice.

John Stevenson Victor Donald Smith I know but I have dealt with Dillman twice and he is fake. Anyone who thinks they can knock you out without touching you is fake. Dillman says he can knock anyone out without touching them. No way do I believe this.

 

Victor Donald Smith I don't doubt you, and have never sought out what he was doing. I just believe the record should be clear. For myself I have more ways to strike necks with my Isshinyu and other studies and never felt a need for any more.

 

Sarah Phillips Bengel I have participated and observed many seminars taught by Oyata, Dillman, Leon Jay, and Mark Klein over a 20 year period. I have seen knock-outs and I have seen failed knock-outs.

 

The utilization of pressure point striking to achieve a knockout is a finite science. Effectively hitting a point or multiple points in a specific order, that are only the size of a quarter, that requires memorization of specific locations adds to the complexity and lowers the chances of success without lots of specific practice.

 

Who do you practice these knock-outs on? Friends, students, . . . ?! Having seen these techniques work under ideal circumstances with a stationary and willing participant, I will say the knock-outs work, a lot of the time, but not all the time.

 

What should be questioned if you choose to learn this science is, what are the odds of success in a real moving fight situation? And if you want to practice on people you know; what is happening to their body when you violently strike a point that controls necessary nerve functions to vital organs including the brain?!

 

Even more importantly, what happens to a person's vital organs when they are practiced on OFTEN?! Are there any long term effects to their health?! I say yes, definitely, because that is what people I have talked to and know personally have told me has happened to them. For example, at a seminar, someone teaching pressure point strikes (not for knock-outs) hit a lung point on the student he was demonstrating with, and triggered an asthma attack! And in an extreme situation, allegedly at a seminar a participant that had done drugs the night before a seminar was hit on a heart point and ?!died!? (I wasn't there, so hearsay?!)?! I ask, in what class situation is this safe to practice and who should you pay to have this practiced on you and at what risk to yourself?! I have been there to see, participated, been knocked out once, it is real, it is not only unsafe and risky, but dangerous and irresponsible to practice on someone! Can anyone guess my perspective based on my first had experience? I think you can. S :(

PS
The no touch knock-outs are sheer hucksterism and hypnotism!! For fun, look up "NO touch knock-out vs. karate . . ." or something like that.

 

Dave Lockhart I started learning some pressure points in Hong Kong in '71, then collected them from various instructors and Grandmasters after that. Fusei Kise taught me the most. The way I was taught, pressure points are for control or to increase the pain of a technique. Unlike Mr Spock, I never learned them as knock-out techniques. I'm back in the Philippines now, and hope to do a video of all the points I know; that's around 140.

 

Dennis Melone Taika Oyata’s art of kyusho jitsu is only one part... it is not pressure point striking , it is vital point... explained to me by Taika “ how can you hit one tiny pressure point as an opponent comes at you “ ... vital point hits an area of nerves not one point.... first of all an opponent must be stopped.... if you find Taika ko-ing a guy standing there it is an example not to be taken out of context... he didn’t know medical terminology , triple warmer, making sounds, being grounded or ungrounded, chi balls etc.... he did not care what anyone did, believed or didn’t believe ... he never said he was better than anyone.... and while most karate ka pretended to play samurai on The Weekends & became intellectuals by talking about it, he battle tested it in Okinawa & was advised whike in America to chill out due to law suits as he was sued.... Oyata could back it up he didn’t talk about it & for sure did not commercialize it or I’d have people wrapped around the block to enter my dojo as I’d fart in silk underwear

 

Will Ireland hard to find books from taika seiyu oyata.

Will Ireland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS1hE1Hqo8I

Taika Seiyu Oyata performs traditional forms

 

I remember in was 1984 and George Dillman was attempting to get a friend, who I was also training with, to attend a clinic with Oyata Sensei. He did not realize that my friends system already had a lifetime of training in extensive bunkai, but of a different paradigm than George had ever explored.

https://isshin-concentration.blogspot.com/2014/08/oyata-old-way-saved-article.html

 

The next year he started doing demonstrations with his own abilities

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VP9bab8zeo.

 ** just a personal observation when Oyata Sensei struck George he just collapsed to the floor immediately, when George struck his student I see he was immediately grabbed. In my mind they may be different effects. Just a supposition on my part.**

 

 Shortly thereafter started his own group and clinics, ‘borrowing the name for what he was teaching” and the names of technique groupings from Oyata sensei. (The end result Oyata Sensei renamed everything he was teaching having nothing to do with Dillman.)

 

A decade later meeting and my first training I observed what Sherman Harrill was doing.

 

One of those answers was a way to strike into the arm

Sherman striking into the arm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDh1W81QO4g

 

A while later I realized was also the manner in which the tap ko’s to the neck were delivered,. I asked Sherman if that was a posssibility and he confirmed it was  and suggested a method to make that strike more effective.

Sherman striking into the neck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLTPtQ40Qoc

 

. Hidden in plain sight… which were not no touch, but hard driving strikes you didn’t see…

 

https://isshin-concentration.blogspot.com/2017/10/on-striking-into-neck.html

 

Taika Seiyu Oyata performs traditional forms

 

Poor 80's bootleg of Oyata performing black and brown belt katas.
**The first 60 seconds of footage is black. This is cost of converting video tape into digital.**

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS1hE1Hqo8I&t=18s

 

Who did it better?

 

 

Hilarious Ｋａｒａｔｅ　Ｋａｔａ by Randy Sensei "Sumo Style"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SExQj5J08rU

 

 

Donutshi form, a secret form from Young Lee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_omyOosfS28

 

The use of evasion in confrontation

 

 

I have had a lot of fun with 'ghost techniques' with my students over the years each Halloween, The thing is they are real, and I first learned of them from a friend's black belt student manual back in 1980. There is ever so much more to them.

 

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The use of evasion in confrontation, Mutsu knew it in 1933, It is more difficult that it seems. Once when a student attacked before they knew what was happening, I was standing 20 feet behind him. I am not a magician, just used their focus during their attack against them.

 

Why I created the Bushi No Te Isshinryu Kama Drill

 

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Okinawan Kama

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKUuiYLgtao

 

Ken Jack This is actually a demonstration of the Okinawan kusarigama, not to be confused with the one used in ninjutsu.

 

After learning the Tris Chosen No Kama Sho, 

and Chosen No Kama Dai

I felt their handling was so complex, 

good for advanced handling skills,

But not so good for reality.

 Then I saw this Okinawan form and realized its potential.

So I created my Bushi No Te NO kama exercise.

There are some echo’s of that Okinawan form.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3epeCzMp-k

Kama Drill Bushi No Te Isshinryu

Of course I don’t see a need for kama in current self defense.

Yet another skill building exercise

O' Frabojulas day

 

Tomorrow I am attending the clinic with John Kerker, in Springfield, Mass. It is to be held at Whitley's Budokai. I have been fortunate to attend for the past 10 years. This is a very informative and pleasurable experience for me.

 

October 17, 2013

 

O' Frabojulas day,, on Friday Charles H. Murray an I travel to west Mass. and the school of Clarence Whitley to attend, a clinic and perhaps make a general nuisence of ourselves with John Kerker at his seminar on Isshinryu Karate.. A most special occasion.

 

Karate taught in Okinawan schools - 1905

 

The fact that Karate had been implemented as a mandatory subject in school education in January 1905 was no coincidence.

 

At that time, various things fell into place:

 

The Japanese Empire rose to become the new colonial World Power in Asia; the Russo-Japanese War saw Japan as the winner;

 

the Okinawa assimilation policy was brought into effect; the conscription ordinance was now also valid for the (previously exempted) Okinawans; the combined education and military policy accelerated;

 

the Butokukai branches were as active as possible; the Japan wide plan of bujutsu-style physical education took on steam;

 

Karate as a Kata-based training was easy to implement, especially as opposed to the more dangerous Jūjutsu and Gekiken;

 

and last but not least the strong hand of Governor Narahara choked all ideological opposition. It is sufficiently clear that educational Karate was the result of a tightly focused institutional policy.

 

In particular, educational Karate was the result of the successful implementation of a combined educational and military policy and part of the “conscription-agers education.” The Karate taught at the Shuri schools at that time might thus be termed “conscription-agers Karate.” (A. Quast, 2013) Or, in Itosu’s words:

“If children were to begin training naturally in military prowess while in elementary school, then they would be well suited for military service.” 

(Itosu Ankō, Article 2)

Andreas Quast

YangT’ai Chi Sword

Way back in 1979 I began my study of Yang T’ai Chi Chaun with Ernest Rothrock. Amidst that study I was taught what was about ½ of thee Yang T’ai Chi Chaun Sword Form. I did not know it was only a part of the form until a decade later the rest was taught to me.

 

Without doubt it was the most difficult form I have ever studied, extremely difficult to get with the correct flow. Made harder as the entire control of the sword comes from the wrist, and that control must be centered in your center too.

I studied many forms that were are are difficult, but this one was the most difficult to make any progress on.  Whether I did make any progress? Well!

 

This is Ernest Rothrock performing a bit of that form.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smAzpGT-dmg

Seichusen is the japanese word for the center line.

 

A real example of how little I know. I saw this video being shared, a lecture in Japanese. Thinking it was about Seiunchin kata I asked Joe Swift about the term, compared to the 3 other terms used for Seiunchin. And what I found out is I have absolutely no knowledge about what it was about. I recognized the name of the presenter, Aragaki, All errors were my own, once again Joe set me straight.

 

Me

Is any of this true? I remember your saying there were at least 4 different versions of the name in Japanese?

 

正中線で加速する！新垣清が語る重力落下と正中線！The true "Seichusen" in Okinawan karate, Kiyoshi Arakaki

Accelerate on the midline! Kiyoshi Niigaki talks about gravity fall and midline!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcR1SEjHJME

 

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Joe

are you asking if the use of the centerline in karate is true, rather than the use of a center axis? if so then yes, i believe it is true.

 

Victor

I saw a lecture in Japanese and most likely misunderstood what it was about. What do you expect of a 'dumb' Isshinryu guy after all? LOL

 

Joe

i believe tatsuo knew how to do it, and taught it to a certain extent in his basics and kata

 

Victor

Actually I had no idea what it was about, thinking it was just some explaination for Seiunchin (Seienchin or whatever?) I guess I will go and craw back under my rock.

 

Joe

oh no, Seichusen is the japanese word for the center line.&&&&

 

Victor

Ok thank you, that confirms what you already understand, I know nothing. I my best Sargeant Schultz fashion.

 

So I learn something after all, now you can go back to tracking the weather.

First the difference between keri and geri, and now Seichusen.

 

 

Just so you realize my inner dumbness remains intact.

Top of Form 1

 

 

 

 

 

Grand Master Fred Villari

 

I have a vivid memory of watching Grand Master Fred Villari giving a clinic to a group of his students. A name I haven’t heard in a long time. He founded a large chain which defined McDojo’s, In fact I think he used the term in the sense he thought karate instruction should be marketed as successfully as McDonalds did. I never trained with them, but my friend acquired the video from another of his friends who did study there.

 

In the video he was teaching a knife defense, against a straight knife thrust. The movement he used was kicking from the crane stance pose (just as used in the Karate Kid). Of course what do I know it seemed to be a good way to get killed to my way of thinking. I never paid much attention to that system after that.

Here is a representative video selected at random from YouTube.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDGirJG_bW0

 

 

 

George Dillman as I experienced him

 

George Dillman was started in Isshinryu under Harry Smith back in the 1960s. Later he got into a lot of other Okinawan systems, and was no longer Isshinryu. He was an early tournament champion, mainly in weapons back when almost no one did weapons. Always a big self promoter he then promoted 2 very large tournaments each year in PA. After a brief weekend meeting with Hohen Soken where he claimed  he received secret notes on pressure points (which now I have a copy) in the early 1980s when he met Oyata Seryu he was entranced, going to train with him in his kyusho and tuite applied to his Okinawan kempo kata. True light touch knockout stuff. Then with perhaps a partial year with him, broke away, changed his system name to the name that Oyata was using, and began teaching seminars all over the place, writing books, selling video tapes on his ‘own stuff.

 

I saw this happen, was at one of his tournaments when he approached Tris to come and train with Oyata. Of course Tris laughed as he had all that and more in his family system. Right after I moved to NH an acquaintance invited me to a Dillman seminar in Manchester. I attended, was astonished he remembered me from Pa. for I was too low ranked for him to talk to back then. All hedid was talk and talk (he was good at that ).

 

About ½ through his seminar he turned to me and asked me how I would apply Seiunchin kata’s augmented high block, where about ½ way through the form your left hand presses into your right high side block. I am sure I would give him a stock Isshinryu answer that you are pressing to support the block, allowing him to show his superior knowledge. He had a guy punch to my head.

 

About that time I was beginning to put the knowledge of how things worked I got from Tris and applying it to my Isshinryu.

 

When the strike in I lightly parried the strike, separated my hands sliding my right open hand down alongside his arm to the wrist, and the left open hand fanned the opponents face taking his down.

 

He did not like that I could do that, tried to cover it saying that could also be reversed for another takedown (which I had from Tris). And for the rest of the time I was at the seminar would not look again in my direction having burst his bubble as the owner of true knowledge.

 

As I left I realized I had seen him do nothing, later purchasing his vhs for Seiunchin kata to see what he had.

 

These videos are what he was originally pushing, later going into extreme pretend range.

I am not saying what he is showing has no value, rather there is so much more involved

 

 

Dillman DVD #1 - Kyusho Jitsu/Tuite

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-LIAxXqdOQ&t=3131s

 

 

 

 

This was the vhs tape I purchased. When I heard him on the tape say (and also heard at his seminar) that it was not important to do the kata good, just know how to apply its movements. Then I watched his student do his version of Seiunchin kata, well I gagged. I had seen the student in Pa. at thost tournaments, but never say his doing anything. My personal feeling was the students of his had seen there gave no evidence of the skill I would have expected from an instructor of a tournament champion.

 

Personally I was most unimpressed at the kata shown.

 

I stopped the tape and didn’t watch the rest.

 

 

Dillman DVD 2 - Kyusho Jitsu/Tuite Jitsu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJBjxP7z5FY

 

Several years later I was speaking to Reese Rigby on the phone, As stand up a guy in Isshinryu as anyone. He attended one of those seminars and also left knowing nothing, as nothing was demonstrated of kata. He did try arm ko’s on everyone there. When he attemted Reese did not KO him, but said he was just showing how that more could also destabilize an opponent. Right I am sure he was going for a KO every time, but it is not guaranteed and he had an answer to cover himself.

 

So I sent Reese that vhs Seiunchin kata tape. Later he called me and was also laughing, He passed that tape along to let others not be snookered in to George.

 

My theory as to get greater revenue from his seminars he came up with the line I doesn’t matter how good you do your kata as long as you know the points to strike, He was making it easier for students to keep training, from a money angle.

 

Where the truth is, what is more important is that your kata performance becomes stronger and stronger. Only then can you have enough power to make strikes work.

 

Where to strike has value, but as Sherman said, what is more important that you can hit anyone anywhere and drop them.

 

But to drive attendance around the world at his seminars, he went into iffier and iffier things.

 

Of course striking an extended slow arm is one thing, No mention of the more important battle, that of moving from application realization to the greater study of application realization. Which is a whole other beast.

 

And also course now his dvd’s are free on youtube. Wonder happens each and every day.