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Ron Martin I never
understood this. I am not saying it is wrong, but as well as what I was doing
all over the world (60 countries) was working? I couldn’t see the value of
changing to something that had “ mystical” components to it. Always a magic
pill that practitioners chase......when they are unable to believe that what
they are doing is good enough.
They are looking for the secret style that will 10o% garentee they cannot be
defeated. All any of us can hope for is that our proper training will give us a
higher % of success!!!!
Let the haters
fire away at me. Lol.
John Stevenson Master Oyata is here with George Dillman. At summer
camp back in the ‘80’s Dillman was at the camp. He worked out with me and could
not use technology on me but I could put him down. He got upset and would not
workout with me. Dillman is a fake and not a martial artist. I have been in
RyuKyu Kempo for 45 years and the Matayoshi Kobudo for 33 years.
Train Hard, Train Often
Victor Donald SmithThis is what the video record shows George doing in
1985, I had moved to NH but had many friends who were there. This of course
does not attest to ability, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VP9bab8zeo
youtube.com
George Dillman 1985 KO
John Stevenson Victor Donald Smith I know but I
have dealt with Dillman twice and he is fake. Anyone who thinks they can knock
you out without touching you is fake. Dillman says he can knock anyone out
without touching them. No way do I believe this.
Victor Donald Smith I don't doubt you, and have never sought out what
he was doing. I just believe the record should be clear. For myself I have more
ways to strike necks with my Isshinyu and other studies and never felt a need
for any more.
Sarah Phillips Bengel I have
participated and observed many seminars taught by Oyata, Dillman, Leon Jay, and
Mark Klein over a 20 year period. I have seen knock-outs and I have seen failed
knock-outs.
The utilization
of pressure point striking to achieve a knockout is a finite science.
Effectively hitting a point or multiple points in a specific order, that are only
the size of a quarter, that requires memorization of specific locations adds to
the complexity and lowers the chances of success without lots of specific
practice.
John Stevenson Victor Donald Smith I know but I
have dealt with Dillman twice and he is fake. Anyone who thinks they can knock
you out without touching you is fake. Dillman says he can knock anyone out
without touching them. No way do I believe this.
Victor Donald Smith I don't doubt you, and have never sought out what
he was doing. I just believe the record should be clear. For myself I have more
ways to strike necks with my Isshinyu and other studies and never felt a need
for any more.
Sarah Phillips Bengel I have participated and observed many seminars
taught by Oyata, Dillman, Leon Jay, and Mark Klein over a 20 year period. I
have seen knock-outs and I have seen failed knock-outs.
The utilization
of pressure point striking to achieve a knockout is a finite science.
Effectively hitting a point or multiple points in a specific order, that are
only the size of a quarter, that requires memorization of specific locations
adds to the complexity and lowers the chances of success without lots of
specific practice.
Who do you
practice these knock-outs on? Friends, students, . . . ?! Having seen these
techniques work under ideal circumstances with a stationary and willing
participant, I will say the knock-outs work, a lot of the time, but not all the
time.
What should be
questioned if you choose to learn this science is, what are the odds of success
in a real moving fight situation? And if you want to practice on people you
know; what is happening to their body when you violently strike a point that
controls necessary nerve functions to vital organs including the brain?!
Even more
importantly, what happens to a person's vital organs when they are practiced on
OFTEN?! Are there any long term effects to their health?! I say yes,
definitely, because that is what people I have talked to and know personally
have told me has happened to them. For example, at a seminar, someone teaching
pressure point strikes (not for knock-outs) hit a lung point on the student he
was demonstrating with, and triggered an asthma attack! And in an extreme
situation, allegedly at a seminar a participant that had done drugs the night
before a seminar was hit on a heart point and ?!died!? (I wasn't there, so
hearsay?!)?! I ask, in what class situation is this safe to practice and who
should you pay to have this practiced on you and at what risk to yourself?! I
have been there to see, participated, been knocked out once, it is real, it is
not only unsafe and risky, but dangerous and irresponsible to practice on
someone! Can anyone guess my perspective based on my first had experience? I
think you can. S :(
PS
The no touch knock-outs are sheer hucksterism and hypnotism!! For fun, look up
"NO touch knock-out vs. karate . . ." or something like that.
Dave Lockhart I started
learning some pressure points in Hong Kong in '71, then collected them from
various instructors and Grandmasters after that. Fusei Kise taught me the most.
The way I was taught, pressure points are for control or to increase the pain
of a technique. Unlike Mr Spock, I never learned them as knock-out techniques.
I'm back in the Philippines now, and hope to do a video of all the points I
know; that's around 140.
Dennis Melone Taika Oyata’s art of kyusho
jitsu is only one part... it is not pressure point striking , it is vital
point... explained to me by Taika “ how can you hit one tiny pressure point as
an opponent comes at you “ ... vital point hits an area of nerves not one
point.... first of all an opponent must be stopped.... if you find Taika
ko-ing a guy standing there it is an example not to be taken out of context...
he didn’t know medical terminology , triple warmer, making sounds, being
grounded or ungrounded, chi balls etc.... he did not care what anyone did,
believed or didn’t believe ... he never said he was better than anyone.... and
while most karate ka pretended to play samurai on The Weekends & became
intellectuals by talking about it, he battle tested it in Okinawa & was
advised whike in America to chill out due to law suits as he was sued.... Oyata
could back it up he didn’t talk about it & for sure did not commercialize
it or I’d have people wrapped around the block to enter my dojo as I’d fart in
silk underwear
Will Ireland hard to find
books from taika seiyu oyata.
Will Ireland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS1hE1Hqo8I
Taika Seiyu Oyata performs traditional forms
I remember in was
1984 and George Dillman was attempting to get a friend, who I was also training
with, to attend a clinic with Oyata Sensei. He did not realize that my friends
system already had a lifetime of training in extensive bunkai, but of a
different paradigm than George had ever explored.
https://isshin-concentration.blogspot.com/2014/08/oyata-old-way-saved-article.html
The next year he
started doing demonstrations with his own abilities
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VP9bab8zeo.
Shortly thereafter started his own group and
clinics, ‘borrowing the name for what he was teaching” and the names of
technique groupings from Oyata sensei. (The end result Oyata Sensei renamed
everything he was teaching having nothing to do with Dillman.)
A decade later
meeting and my first training I observed what Sherman Harrill was doing.
One
of those answers was a way to strike into the arm
Sherman striking
into the arm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDh1W81QO4g
A while later I
realized was also the manner in which the tap ko’s to the neck were delivered,.
I asked Sherman if that was a posssibility and he confirmed it was and suggested a method to make that strike
more effective.
Sherman striking
into the neck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLTPtQ40Qoc
. Hidden in
plain sight… which were not no touch, but hard driving strikes you didn’t see…
https://isshin-concentration.blogspot.com/2017/10/on-striking-into-neck.html
Taika Seiyu Oyata performs traditional
forms
Poor 80's bootleg of Oyata performing black and
brown belt katas.
**The first 60 seconds of footage is black. This is cost of converting video
tape into digital.**
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS1hE1Hqo8I&t=18s
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